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Questions and discussion about E/EL71
maarcoosДата: Вторник, 08.01.2008, 22:44 | Сообщение # 26
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I know but I was testing... tongue

The cable that I will buy (perhaps) is this DCA-100 (usb)

I'm waiting a comfirm that has a Prolific-Chipset, USB-to-COM. This way the TestPoint must work...

Your Spanish is better than my English biggrin

Un saludo


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Now => E71 sw45 + MPv14 + Elfs + datacable DCA110 made at home :P

Сообщение отредактировано maarcoos - Вторник, 08.01.2008, 22:52
 
erwinpieroДата: Пятница, 11.01.2008, 07:07 | Сообщение # 27
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Forgive me for asking, is DCA 100 has the same capability with DCA 110?

The difference between them, was one COM, and other was USB?

So i can backup FF or patch with DCA 100.

Thanks

By The Way, My EL71 has arrived, and it is version 31 Horaaaaayyy biggrin


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sim_emromДата: Пятница, 11.01.2008, 15:29 | Сообщение # 28
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Congratulations!

110 and 100 are almost the same at scheme. But 100 is ten-times slower and it needs some energy source to work with switched off mobile phone. I don't really know why, I never saw dca-100, but used dca-500 to patch my C75... Just try.
You can get skey and bkey easily with bsreader and PapuaUtils after installing sw45.

What about com2usb connector... Hmm. I don't know, cause in dca-100 just excluded one wire...

 
erwinpieroДата: Суббота, 12.01.2008, 05:50 | Сообщение # 29
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Thank You Sim_emrom biggrin

Okey i see, i'm plan for buying it (DCA 110) from sotaland.

Sorry, i allready got skey and bkey, on firmware 31, still i haven't tested yet. Sim_emrom, You said that it has to be on firmware 45, then continue calculate skey and bkey, but on Your previous post, bkey and skey can be calculate using bsreader for firmware less than 41. So?

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Сообщение отредактировано erwinpiero - Суббота, 12.01.2008, 05:57
 
PaulSДата: Суббота, 12.01.2008, 11:34 | Сообщение # 30
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If your firmware number is less than 41, BootKey, Skey, ..., can be calculated normally (without performing TestPoint or buying the Bkey)
 
sim_emromДата: Суббота, 12.01.2008, 11:57 | Сообщение # 31
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It was said about factory firmware version! Please, don't forget about that!
If you got phone with less than 41 you can calculate skey-bkey on any installed fw wink
And if you would get factory "41+" you can't calculate it anyhow.
It's you joy you've got 31 wink

But after you set up the 45 (41+) you must reload bkey with Papua, because 45 already needs it instead of skey!

 
erwinpieroДата: Воскресенье, 13.01.2008, 07:19 | Сообщение # 32
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Ow i see, thanks Pauls and sim_emrom, about after upgrading to 45, we must reload with Papua? Is it means that we must recalculate SKEY and BKEY (entering SKEY once again)? Is HASH and ESN changed?

And by the way, what does DCA 110 would be recognized by handset (check by *#06#), cause it was unofficial data cable.

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Сообщение отредактировано erwinpiero - Воскресенье, 13.01.2008, 07:33
 
sim_emromДата: Воскресенье, 13.01.2008, 11:21 | Сообщение # 33
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It will be recognized as DCA-510, when the phone and PC are connected, and as DCA-100 when it connected only to phone.

All codes won't be changed with update. Just reenter bkey to phone (the reason is what needs to be in eeprom at different fw-version).

 
erwinpieroДата: Понедельник, 14.01.2008, 13:17 | Сообщение # 34
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Okey, thanks sim_emrom, i learn much at here, appreciate all biggrin

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maarcoosДата: Понедельник, 14.01.2008, 21:41 | Сообщение # 35
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Yuju!!

Hello again.

Finally I decided to make myself the data-cable from DCA-510 and DCA-140, the result has been the following one:

USB to DCA-510 and DCA-510 (nano) jeje.

Thank you for your documentation, I have already patch it, ELFs, etc. All correct, but a small detail... xtask not work correctly, I am not able to call xtask, like I can indicate it the key (I remember that for the x65 I used key-hook patch or similar, an application DSE was used to configure the keys... some idea?).

I want to stabilize the mobile:

-Master patch v14
-API
-Library
-ElfPack and ElfLoader

Patches based on master and elfs works, but xtask not... somebody can help me? Somebody that has a .vkp file with all the necessary patches for working on master-patch and ELF platform as well as the folder ZBin the most up-to-date thing possible tongue

Thanks again!


-=[Marcos]=-

M35i -> C55 sw24(patched) -> CX65 ~ CX70sw56 + MPv14 + Elfs
Now => E71 sw45 + MPv14 + Elfs + datacable DCA110 made at home :P

Сообщение отредактировано maarcoos - Суббота, 19.01.2008, 00:16
 
erwinpieroДата: Вторник, 15.01.2008, 11:10 | Сообщение # 36
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Wow great experiment, by the way, my friends in here, had other cable, they call it DCA 100 non original, it is USB with nano.

They use it on E81, M81 and it is capable with patching. As info, when it's plug in to handset, it's recognized as DCA 500 (different from DCA 110, which is recognzed as DCA 510), have not try it yet, but is it capable do patching on E71/EL71, does anyone had any opinion. Thanks


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PaulSДата: Вторник, 15.01.2008, 11:38 | Сообщение # 37
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Yes, I guess it is linked in maarcoos message on this page. It's not so different from dca-110
Quote (sim_emrom)
110 and 100 are almost the same at scheme. But 100 is ten-times slower and it needs some energy source to work with switched off mobile phone.
I agree with sim_emrom, it's everything I know about this cable either. But people at our forum posted that they patched successfully without any troubles using dca-100
 
erwinpieroДата: Вторник, 15.01.2008, 12:00 | Сообщение # 38
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Sory PauLS just to make it sure, so by Your opinion, You agree that i can patch EL71 with those cable i mention?

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PaulSДата: Вторник, 15.01.2008, 12:23 | Сообщение # 39
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I guess, yes. It is DCA-100, and DCA-100 patches E71/EL71 normally.
 
erwinpieroДата: Вторник, 15.01.2008, 12:31 | Сообщение # 40
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Thanks then PaulS, i'll try it. And i'll give short comments next biggrin

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sim_emromДата: Вторник, 15.01.2008, 12:42 | Сообщение # 41
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wacko
Marcos, take the last X-Task 3 here: http://perk11.info/elf
I think, you'll easily browse over there. Then you can set key to show X-Task in bcfg-file. I recommend LONGPRESS key 13. It's "Volume Down" button.

Key-hook patch is no more needed in x75...or...Just no need. Don't install patch SMS-count and Megaloudness v.3 (i normally used v.1 and 2) - we have some troubles with them...

I really can't join your problems with cable wacko DCA-100 with usb must be 2-3 times faster than com if it works real. (E81 - is not compatible with nano as I think, isn't it BenQ-platformed?) Try to patch if you already have bkey. Don't forget to make backup of ff!


We must rename this topic to "e/el71", PaulS smile
 
maarcoosДата: Суббота, 19.01.2008, 00:11 | Сообщение # 42
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My mobile and I still alive ...my mobile with several resuscitations jeje tongue
After a few days of hard work and with your orientation this is the result ... (some samples)

Since I did the modification on data-cable, the speed slower very much, but no problem when I want to copy big files I remove the MicroSD ant put it in the card-reader of PC.

Un saludo!

PD: Thanks sim_emrom, I don't know this page http://perk11.info/elf (it's the best page that I saw about ELF)
PD: Finally I finished two day before go to work biggrin


-=[Marcos]=-

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Now => E71 sw45 + MPv14 + Elfs + datacable DCA110 made at home :P

Сообщение отредактировано maarcoos - Суббота, 19.01.2008, 00:29
 
erwinpieroДата: Понедельник, 21.01.2008, 06:02 | Сообщение # 43
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I finally get the cable, it's nano lumberg with USB to PC, when i connect it to handset with PC, or just standalone handset, it's recognized as DCA 100, my friends brought it from GMP. I use it for backup, synchronization and patch well, it's need 8 and a half minutes to takes 65 Mb backup without error. And here are, my eXtra Performance display :

Thanks too sim_emrom and PauLS.


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sim_emromДата: Понедельник, 21.01.2008, 12:05 | Сообщение # 44
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Fine cables as I see smile

Glad to hear. Good luck to you both! smile

 
erwinpieroДата: Вторник, 22.01.2008, 11:49 | Сообщение # 45
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Hello, my friend was asking me, is ESN for E71 had 32 digit or just like EL71 8 digits? Thank You

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sim_emromДата: Вторник, 22.01.2008, 21:20 | Сообщение # 46
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As I know ESN is always 8-digit. It's interesting if there were 32-digit for bootkey-phones...
Skey - 8-digit.
Bkey - 32-digit.
E71 needs bkey to enter, EL71 - depends on fw version skey or bkey. You already know it smile
 
erwinpieroДата: Среда, 23.01.2008, 04:18 | Сообщение # 47
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Okey thanks sim_emrom, i'll tell my friend then, i knew it ESN was 8 digits and 32 digits it was bkey.
My friends had a question, if he really decide to buy bootkey, what are he will receive, ESN? HASH? SKEY? or BKEY?
And why EL71 with under version 41 could be found with bsreader, and the other should do TP, are there any different both, hardware or software?

Thanks smile


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PaulSДата: Среда, 06.02.2008, 13:12 | Сообщение # 48
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Well, you buy bootkey - you recieve bootkey (=BKey, BKEY)... happy
EL71 handsets with under-41-FW had other software, actually not software but only deciphering parameters, then new ones. Siemens (or BenQ-Siemens) just thought, it's time to stop people hacking their mobiles, or something like that, I guess... That's why the first versions of EL71 are like traditional Siemens, hackable, and others have the enlarged keys that are not easy to calculate or generate.
 
sim_emromДата: Среда, 06.02.2008, 18:22 | Сообщение # 49
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I agree with PaulS. And what about technical terms...
EL71 fw41 works with bootkey in eeprom! And there are 2 ways:
- EL71 with FACTORY fw41 has new type of bootcore (so we don't know how to calculate codes in it)
- Updated to 41 EL71 still has the same old type of bootcore, but new firmware demands bootkey in eeprom instead of skey.
Each E71 I ever saw has new type of bootcore. When you make Test-Point you hack your bootcore changing it to old type. TP also changes skey and bkey, that's why it breaks garantee. Service-centers won't help you for free biggrin if you made TP.

You always can get ESN and HASH with bsReader for e/el71. But for e71 and el71fw41 you should buy bootkey. To buy skey is useless, that's foolish losing money.

 
huteuszДата: Среда, 06.02.2008, 22:19 | Сообщение # 50
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Hello, using Simoco i've found a way to increase free place in phone.
If you have been installing lots of java apps, then go using SiMoCo to Mobile\Data\System\Java\Data\
Go to folder Games, check the names of files that you dont use, select all, then delete.
Do this same with Applications folder.
Don't try this with Siemens AG folder, cause there will be probably bugs, using preinstalled Java apps.
For me it saved an 1mb of memory!!
Remember, if you delete bad folders, you will lost your Java applications settings!
biggrin


:( siemens is dead
 
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